tv Defense News With Vago Muradian ABC October 11, 2015 11:00am-11:31am EDT
tradeshohow in washington. first, russia has been modedernizing its military and improving trning as it continueues to intimidate neighbors. it has a surfaface aion group operating office area. it is fielding -- off of syria. it is fieldingew wararships. we met with ththe commander r of u.s. nav forceces in europe and africa, , admiral mark ferguson, leads the joint command in naplples. wewe spoke before the mosc cruise missile sike. i asked him to explain which of russia's capabilities are of st concern. ferguson: i start at the arctic, with h the buildg of bases along the northern side and other militarizationctions that are taking place in the arctic. i come down to: grad, where we
see a military buildup that encompasses the baltic sea. you en move downwn to crimea, where they have announced a $2 billion expansion program of t black sea fleet. we saw the firstilo submarine transit to the black sea.. ey are expanding what i call an arc of steelhat ggoes from the arctic circle to the crimea. from that, they are deloping the capabity to project power outside of that, specifically in thr submarine force. i see them operating with greater operational tempo, great proficiency, and they are in -- introducing new classes of submarine -- a newew ballistic missile type summering and a new attack summary into the force. nd a new attack submarinine into the force. they a are getting complex in is efficiency, and i wou add one element -- we see an improment in sp exercise mobilizining
units, deploying them simply under r central command. these are tren that are different in terms of their capability, and as you mentioned, ty are bringing in the asymmetric elementss -- ciber, anti-satellite capabilities, issueues in elelectrononic warfarend jammin. this r requires a use or change on o our part in the way we operate in the maritime domain.. vago: what are some of both the cultural chahanges, training changes, intellectual cnges that need to bmet, and very quickly, one assumes, to be able to b better deter the russians from doing something everybody might ultimately regret? i think of iton: as three lines of effort t the alliance has to do -- the first one is we have to think abobout investing in high-end proficienc we have several exercises later this month that really represent the best we can do at t that lel of war fighting. the first is that try and juncture exercise - -- we have
30,000 troops, many, many ships -- nearly 70 ships, submarines, patrol aircraft, conducting interviews landings in portugal and sarnia. that is one e example. the second one will take place in the missilele-defse f forum f the course of the --oast of the hebebrides. we will do an exercise based on sea base missile-defense involving live firings and complex targets with nine nations. -- so, those types of things or will we have to return to -- returning to the high-end and proficiency. thsecond part is we have to start investing in the infrastructure we have in europe to support maritime operaration, specifically deployments of maritime patrol aircraft tthe north, the east, and the black sea, and increase our proficiency in that regard. those investments are really necessary. is thishis -- the third
investment in capability. i think specifically, cyber capability, being able to counter electronijamming, deception, those typ of things this new battle of t the future will involve our things we have theractice and make sure alliancece grows that t capabily and capacity in order to counter it. vago: you are o of a generation that existed before cell phone were relevant. you sailed with operatational contrtrol --mplete miion ntrol l where you arare nonot emting and did some surpsing things, at prproved to be surprising to the soviet union, at times, but now we have gegenerations of naval officers, amererican or allllied, w who he grown in a comfortable, informrmationn-richh environmen, anand also, nobody was going toe targeting shoing at them. how do you approach a culture shshift where lks will bee operating in a very, very old-fashioned way? admiral ferguson: surere.
a couple of ways. first, you have toecognize yourur own c culture and how you have developed aay that we wage war. it is very network-dependent, very information-dependent from both off of the ship and submarine to connect with headququarters. we rely veryeavily on satellite information. -- i think as we go rward, we are doing a couple ofof things already in theater. one is the funmental culture changes the decision to turn o f electronic -- turn on electrtroc systems as opposed to turn it ofoff. when you get on the way cayou have to decide is e radar turnrn -- that- how i operate is the first aspect, chaing ththe culture on what to remit. the second is how do irain a genetion of commanding officers to g get mission ords and to know thatat you might not have connectivity, so how do you achieve ththe ssion? the commanding officers i tatald to thrive on that.
they love the opportunity to four -- for them to operate inin this type environment and at is the second a aspecof it. i think the third's practice. you know, weely on global positioning systems and otheher electronic systems. force the ships, exercising, and training to o go with out in a sasafeway, a controlled way, but you start to build thi proficiency at sea, which is the most important aspect of the culture change. vago: and do not just outside training exercises, but get underway on your ship. admiral ferguson: exactly, and it is not just the ships, but my staff. the e staff f has to be abable t recognize, resespond to ayber attatack, elelectronic jamammins of communication phs and have built in ahead of time that prepgrammed reonse and resisiliency for them to do it. that is another aspect of thehe culturure chge. vago:ore toto the connecticut
ararea of operations. the russians -- when you mentioned it was a conventionally powed submarine, thais quite a transit to go from t the north l the way to the bck sea with a cruise missile that could hit ny targets in europe. tt the alliance apoacheses, and d evenhe u.s.s. navyvy appaches the realistic nature of training exercises, d the elemt of a actually getting shot , and how you respond in a universe where guys are playing for kps, the way it wasas in your generation? vago: when i observed --admiral ferguson: when i oerved u.s. forces, we have inccated these elemts into our tining exercicises and workouts a benefit for thalliance would it to conduct joint training with us s and conduct ercises off ththe east coast where they would see it. so, i'm very confident that the u.s. recognizess the threaand is starting to wea it to the
training piece. when i look the allies, we have not brought t that level of complexity into r allied exexerciseses, with all the frin of warar fighting that thehey wl see. i think that is an area of improvement for the e future. vago: do you thin -- is there everythg about the way we do warfare is based on coalitionsns. everyone of the natis ha reduced their national capabilities in terms numberers, oftften -- the k. has shrunk, of couourse, in order to have a fewer number of m much hihigher and assets. ultimately, you alsoet into ththe problem of having noenough assets, , and to commanders, ether they a are ground commandeders or r navacommanands they have id t proem is wee not only do not have the high-end capacity, but t overall numbers to do this.s. is the concepept of how we fight in the f futurpotetiallyly jeopardized because everyone is living a little bibit of a a lin
shrinkintheir r forceses and t e assumption eveveryone can lean n one another, but there is not anyone to lean on in a major bind. admiral fergusonon: i did not se every ally shrinking. what i do see is in selected cases they havenvested in good capabilities and we see them interested in purchang holistic missi defense capabilities -- ballistic missile dedefense capabilities. it is a balance. on they have to have the capabili to pace the envivironmt. i sesee some invtmentsts therer. we p probably need more. it is about efficiencies as well.. if we e get tse two, i i feel comfortable we can goorward, confront, and it turned the challenges that we mightht facen the e future. vagogo: when u go to the e baltc -- you mentioned the capabiliti. russssia has defended itself as ththe defefender of russian-spen peoplele in lithuania and eston, and theris a ccern t that the
hybrid capapabilities at wsaw coulda ----rimea resurface with litittle grgreenn showowing up and a all of a sudn presenti a very b pottial challenge. talk abo the baltiand what u. forces can do up there - -- and nato foorces, but more broadly for the baltic, u.s. forces in particular,o he stabilize the situationon or gie some credible means of deterrence. admiral ferguson: as i lolook acrosshe alliance, the geography of the space, the babattle space up t there, placa premium on the speed of response. and second, it places a premium on the ability to attribute what is really happening on the ground as eventsre happening. if you look in ukraine, or the crim, there was confusion initialllly under the hybrid warfare mol about was this really an armed force, was russiaia really behind it, who were these elements that were leading us, what was their tent, and what were th
doing? that paralysis of decion-making is something that in a baltic countryou cannot allow to happenen. so, the alliance has looked with the task f force that we created and practiced this past year in poland -- in creating those elements linked with lift, isr and the other things, to moving rapidly. ththe speed as a premium.. i think positioning of some equipment wille important. then, the natonits that we have stood up have a beenn focused on the speed of deployments th allieies mo forwarard. in that battlspace,e, speeded ad attribion wiwill be at a preremm anand be the critical elements r success. you are senior commander. are there enough high-level political decisions taking place at you can do with the speed you are trying to achieve the militaryevel? admiral ferguson: i think there
is a growing realization othe speed of decisision-making. let me giveve you an example -- the flht time of a blistic missile fired from europe to the arabian gulf region is about 12 minutes. , if we do not have a mechanism and a political decision making allow that commander in romania, or one of the ships in the gulf to execute a shot, we're going to miss an opportunity because the ndow is very narrow. that is one of minutes. so, the north atlantic couil is starting to wrestlele withh thosissueses now. when youalk about the balc coununtries as a ndincushioion, i think we will have quick recocognition from the host nann about what ihappenening on the groundand feel condent ththey wl co to terms th the speed they have to dece things. vavago: f more of our interview with admiral ferguson, go to vavago: f more of our interview with admiral ferguson, go to
he's still in training. open to the armed forces, the dod and eir families. navy federal credit union. vavago: in the wake of the iraq and afghanistan campaign there is a discussion about the future of the u.s. army. john, michael o'hanlon, who has advised emulators on strategy. his new book is really called "the future of land warfare." welcome ck. michael: thank you. nice to be with you. ago: your book comes a at pivol time -- there is a new chief of staff, there is a debate ongoing about the future of the army, wther they should be further shrunk so tre is greater investment in air, sea, ciciber,nd other specialized capabilities. you have suffered -- studied the future of land warfare. what is it?
michael: i do not think we know, and that ithe fufundamental point i woulwant to drive home. we are claiming that we know. we are comoming because we are tired in the middle east especiallywe're not going to do ia -- anymore. it iand i g go decided in vietnam. we hope the technology, oceans, plusus drones, cyber, air and sa battle, whatever else,e, can preclude the need r the ground forces. i do not think so. i think there could be high-end maneuver warfare in terms of did terence, making sure putin does not get the wrong idea about the baltic states, making sure north kokorea does not attack sth korerea -- it could be a an mesy opereration where we have stabize the territories of jihadist do not get their hands or auclear weapons, peacaceful implementation missin for a fefeature syrian confedereratiodeal where the different parties agree to d diy up the country like in bosnia, but there is finally these and it is in our interest to uphold it.
vago: do you have a problem with the guidance the position is given to the army to not actually cononsider some of thee scenario michael: the gdance both said they should not use large-scale stabilization missions for planning purposes. i think that was incorrect guidance. i think the next administration should change itand in the meantime the army should be wary about follllowing it t litelly. luckily, we still have a cacapae armyith a lot of experience, especially in these kind of operations. there is no imimminent danger of ese pacities being eliminated. the guidce, i thin is conceptually wrorong anand needo changed. vago: you mentioned an aversion to wanted to d messy sorts of things, but ththe reality iwe might have to do messy things that involve lots of troop michael: i think of bolshevik lines -- you mit not have an interest in war. war r might have an interest in you. these things might engage our core national security issues -- interests if nuclear weapons mewhere arthreatened in terms of their stability.
if a country on e verge of a nuclear war -- let's ma of india and pakistan -- and there is the need of a peekeeping foe to prevent that om escalating -- i go into this scenario where i envision a trusteeship for kashmir and prottion o of the border by internationaforce. if we need a syriaecent limitationorce, whihich i predict t we might well next essential term, there are a range of possibilities. we try to make a fundamental dedeterminination about a certan count -- kind of warfare being obsolescent and we have been proven wrong tur-- wrwrong. vago: you look at terrifying scenarios in your book. what does all of this mean in the big dod battlfor resources , as well as a perennial strule with in the army for the balance between active guard and reserve? firstfirst of --michael: of all, the army is resigned toward the component, and it is alady heavil focusused on the
reservrvists and national guardsmen and women. we need some reservists you can go tomorrow if there is a conflict in korea with nuclear weapons potentitially involved r nuclear weapons we have toto secure. that are also submissions could erupt quickly. it does not mean the wholeorce has to be in the active, but we ve gone far enoughgh in the mix. the reserve and guard will already be about 55% off the total army prison. inin terms of the budget wars, i comfortable with the cuts the army has made so far, down to aboua one million soldier army, 400 50,000, 475,000 soldiers. i do not think it should continue. ere have been proposals that cuts even deeper. i think that is a mistake. if we need to add more resources to the air force, navy, or other communities, we need to increase the defense budget, not cut from the army. we are at a time when we can have that debate is beginnining. that is the right way y to think about it. not a big increase, but a modest one, if that is whwhat the other
go: each fall the association of the united ates army y holds its annual meeti and tra show in washington. they focusus this year is the nw my chief of staff, general mark milley, and his priorities. here, , as he is evevery year, retired army general thompson, and by way of full disclosure, we are media partners and wil will be bringing you -- we will be bringing you terviews from the comi weeks. welcome ck. general thompson: pleasure to be here. vago: what is the big theme this year? general thompmpson: it is when n a complex worldnd it relatetes to t the major spots tt we know out -- 14140,000 soldiers out there --'m sorry, 180,000 soldieiers in 140 different
countries, but i it also relates to t the complex world here at home. vago: right. generaral thompson:equestration, continuing resolutionsns -- it will all relate to that at the annual meeting. vavago: and we were talking a little bit earlier -- i want to bring international focus of this -- you have been working international component of this. so, th year is the biggest internationayear, , isn't it, fothe show? general thompson: yes, it isis o it we expect to have sifted two countries represented on-site at the show, nine different chiefs ofof army that will be there --2 countries repepresented on-sitet the show, nine different chiefs of army. we w will have a differerent international pavilions on ththe exbit floor at will have a variety of things that their tontries industry will bring market here in the uniteted stes. i might add that a turki pavion is the largest -- market here in the nsense. i mit editor the turkish pavilion is the largest by far. in the unitedtates.
i might add the turkish gog's largrgest by far. messagest are the big you think we will l here? general thompson: first, general milley's position on howow the army will go forward, and the completies the army fac, especially as relates to the total force. when you think about that, it is going toto be a very important aspect of how ththe army not ony how itand operates, t equips itself, what kind of weapons systems, howt does interoperability, what policy, and some law changes that mit be required to maximize that capability. vago: how does this show rank from where you were last year - are you bigger th year than you were less sure, and what a some of the novel features fofos can expect to see atat thehow? general thompson: there arere a couple of new things we can talk about. the e first t is we e are goinge a beginning of what we hope to grow on the exhibit floor, which
is a military cyber pavilion. we thi that that will be something that, each year, will become something much h more obvious andelevant as it retes to that. another new things the veteransffairs hasome bacack in a big way. seized thecdononald opportity, i think, to have this as a a platform to show the improvements that the v.a.a. has done, but let's talk, if may, about somehings that used to be new thahat are now growing ad ally bearing fruit. the first one that i can menentn ry quicklys the innovator's corner. therwill be 40 presentations on the exhibit floor in that area -- the design of that is to inrm industry, inform th army, and to giv new thinkers d opportuny to get their things on the flfloor. i have other thingngs i can ta about t ther vago: unftunately, ththat is all
ththe time we have got. we will have you b back on whe we're at thshowsir. thanks very ch. wewe appreciate it. neral thomon: thank you verery muchch, take care. vago: on t money minute feature -- jeanette mack talks -- tells about unexpected ways errors might appear on credit reports. credite: everyone knows reports help you get a loan, but you may not know one in five consumers have errors on their credit reports. when was the last time you checked yours? here are a fewhings you should look for on your credit report. the first one is an accurate personal information -- anything from a typo to a full-blown identity mixup could drag down your score. this could certainly b be a challenge for service members that enjoy the rigorous schedules of military life and regular relocations. also, check for incorrect account details. you might have close an old crcredit account, but if it remains open on your credit report, it could have a negative impact on your credit score. ditto for business accounts that are inaccurately labeled as
personal accounts. there is the most serious threat to your credit score -- aa fraudulent account. if your credit report includes accounts you never opened, you could be the victim of fraud. until you address it, it is a situation that could hurt your credit score. if you find an unauthorized account, as the credit reporting bureaus for a securi freeze. these errors need to be corrected. the process by taking advantage of your free annual credit report. if you find discrepancies, contact the credit bureau with a letter sent by certified mail. it might taka little bit of work, but you can maintain your heth thehe credit report. it is worth it t for your buying power d peacace of mind. vago: jeanette, thank you very much. being detected was not an oion. if i was recognized the whole operation was blown.
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vago: after yearsrs of investme, russia i is nodeploying cacapabities to undermine lolong-standing u.s. and aied advantes. ththat is no surprise. new ships and susubs, ng-ranange airstrike iland device missilesrovi- preresent adversarary of complicated problemsms that are expensive to lve your such effortsy russssia, -- salt. su effts are w why there arere wayso maintaiain the upppper ha. vladimir putin is plplaying g a dangerous s game competititionn battle against isis. firing missiles at syria were a guest -- demonstration of long-range power, and inin doing so witith warning -- without hitng e u u.s.k
and allies. nato must better anticipate can's- vlimir putin's moves.. .anctis have beenn damamagin r more crushshing sasanctions mt america'sntil t that adopt -- vlaladimir putin's adot a less hostile charge. inin theeantime, nato must prepare for r military confrontatation, accidental oror otherwise. anks for watchin i am vago muradian. visit us for idepth coverage of the meeti in washington. ifif your comment about the show or suggestns for future coverage, e-ma me. 'll be back nt week at the sameme time.e. until then,n, have e a great we. ♪
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